Read as North Wales, its basically the same, a trialing club, but they do organise some trails in the North Wales area on different dates. At interclub events you can take part in each others trials and i think you can at other events upon showing the membership card.
They do work close to each other, but members move around and some on the borders Deeside, Wrexham feel L&C closer to them than North Wales. As for greenlanes they claim to do them, but ask first, primally its a trails club like North Wales and part of the ARC. There is a few more Cheshire based clubs but cannot comment on them.
Friday, 29 June 2007
Merseyside Land Rover Club
Its almost like Liverpool owners except a bit cheaper @ £12 pa, do almost the same as Liverpool, laning, National Shows etc. Quite a few members are members of both, website not as brill, but there again there is some excellent clubs with no websites at all, and some with excellent websites but do nothing. They organise camping weekends mostly laning, play day site visits, and there own greenlaning days out, (they don't charge for the laning) among the members there is a few active in organsing there own trips out. Bit smaller then Liverpool, however as mentioned quite a few are members of both, join both and for £27 pa you will have a lot to chose from, and still cheaper than the odd National club, Again highly recommended
Liverpool Land Rover Owners Club
Another ARC club but non trialing, hence more "greenlaning" and they do go out a lot, excellent website and updated on a very regualar basis. Just looking at the past events, photo pages etc and they have been up to a lot. For £15 pa (family unit) well worth the money, meet fornightly east of Liverpool. Its not just laning as they also go to National Shows and local ones as well. Has about 100 odd members, and more % active than some clubs, some members do organise there own greenlane trips out as well in addition to club ones so its possible some one will be out at least once a week. Most of the laning done in North Wales, the official club ones are days out, and camping at selected sites for the weekend. They also have access to a cottage not excactly the Hilton, but in winter better than tents, expect of course a good camp atomsphere, plus the beer flows. If you want to do some serious laning highly recommeded.
North Wales Land Rover Club
Been going for over 20 years, its in reality a Trialing club and very strong at doing that, under the ARC and MSA they organise one in North Wales about once a month, RTV (Road Tax Vehicle) & CCV's. These trials are sporting events, not play days, access other than competitors is restricted so unless you join in don't expect to drive off road. if you interested there is a website, but as of May 07 its not good, costs about £23 per annum (Jan - Dec) for a couple. RTV completing charges are about £30 for the day or £20 in advance.
They do claim they go "greenlaning" but haven't been officially for 2 years now, the club charges £10 per go, however they is a couple of members who do organise there own private events, and take with them other members of the club, and other non mambers as well. You will often find many laners are members of several clubs. The greenlane private trips can be one day local affairs or weekends away camping, and of course they are free.
They do claim they go "greenlaning" but haven't been officially for 2 years now, the club charges £10 per go, however they is a couple of members who do organise there own private events, and take with them other members of the club, and other non mambers as well. You will often find many laners are members of several clubs. The greenlane private trips can be one day local affairs or weekends away camping, and of course they are free.
Tuesday, 9 January 2007
Read me
Hi
If you are new to laning you might find this Blog of interest, I am not going to get into detail about what equipment, truck, tyres etc you might need since there is plenty of advice out there.
The biggest problem is generally where to go and who to go with, you are wellcome to look though the 4 Blogs covering North Wales. As who to go with I would suggest joining the following forums and getting to know who might be going out soon in your area
http://www.forum.landrovernet.com/ check the Wales section
http://www.difflock.com/
http://www.mud-club.com/
There are others but these seem to be the national ones, for those based in the North Wales area Deeside, Wirral and Merseyside area can read the comments about some of the Land Rover based club sites.
If you are new to laning you might find this Blog of interest, I am not going to get into detail about what equipment, truck, tyres etc you might need since there is plenty of advice out there.
The biggest problem is generally where to go and who to go with, you are wellcome to look though the 4 Blogs covering North Wales. As who to go with I would suggest joining the following forums and getting to know who might be going out soon in your area
http://www.forum.landrovernet.com/ check the Wales section
http://www.difflock.com/
http://www.mud-club.com/
There are others but these seem to be the national ones, for those based in the North Wales area Deeside, Wirral and Merseyside area can read the comments about some of the Land Rover based club sites.
Monday, 8 January 2007
National Clubs
There is one which you will come across called GLASS, membership is £30 pa, (or club affiliation see later) but before you go and pay out think about what they have to offer, if you get into greenlaning and feel it may be for you then by all means join. Its come under critism over the years for been very secretive and treating its members like mushrooms, but we think its more down to disorganistion.
Its organised on a regional level, if you are luckily your local area could have a very active group which organises greenlaning maybe once a month, great value for your money and there was a few areas which did this. The problem is many regional areas have a small membership and rarely go out, its hard to find out which are the good ones. Its not helped because they do not pubish what they are up to and where they have been to the general public, so you cannot find out about them until you join.
Many clubs now have affiliation to GLASS, so in theory you get most of the benefits of GLASS membership if you join the club but with no voting rights, I am a member of a few of these clubs and couldn't say I benefit from it much. Nor have I had free access to there forums or website. The biggest bone of contention is the guideline which states no more than 4 vehicles. Any one who organises greenlanes knows this guideline is a nightmare, more about that in another post.
They also offer the way-finder project a kind of national list of rights of way. There are two types one free to all, the other you have to pay for. I know of existing GLASS members who are still having problems accessing the site. Nor do I know if affilicated club members can either, I have tried to find out, but no GLASS rep has ever responeded to my requests. Since 2006 when the RUPP ban came in nearly 60% of our lanes have been lost, many of these lanes were small but interesting, whats left is generally known to all. Finally they have a forum but again access is restricted, so no wonder quite a few laners are disalulsioned, so why join?
Same applies to those one make vechicle owner clubs, they are a must for those who have a rare model as a good source of parts, plus many like to show off at local & national shows. Problem is there is too many of them, often someone got on the bandwagon some years ago and formed a club. They often charge £30 a year, send out 4 newsletters, go to one national show and organise 1 greenlane day half way across the country, the only person who benefits is the chair who owns the club. I was at a National Show some years ago and security had to be called to break up a sit in on a club stand , the members got together and demanded money back because they were so dissatisfied.
One forum member summed some of them up wonderfully "Join my crappy 90 club, all credit cards, debit cards paypal accepted, you get 3 c*****y newsletters, 1 sticker, access to a c****y forum, go out once a year, have 1 club stand at a c******y national show and 10% off ferry trips to Ireland during the low season. we've a club online shop stickers, badges extra"
Not all clubs are like this and again check to see what they actual do, some have great websites and forums so one can check back, others don't but had don't mean they are no good just having or not botheing with the websites.
In North Wales there is another called CRAG, only been going a few years and they seem stronger in the North West and North & Mid Wales, certainly better at putting there message across by using forums and the like, and seem to be doing somthing posistive about issues such as lane maintance. Again they go laning and i've meet them a few times wether its private or among there group i don't know, they have a forum but its not open to all so couldn't tell you more.
Oh any complants email me and we will discuss it
Its organised on a regional level, if you are luckily your local area could have a very active group which organises greenlaning maybe once a month, great value for your money and there was a few areas which did this. The problem is many regional areas have a small membership and rarely go out, its hard to find out which are the good ones. Its not helped because they do not pubish what they are up to and where they have been to the general public, so you cannot find out about them until you join.
Many clubs now have affiliation to GLASS, so in theory you get most of the benefits of GLASS membership if you join the club but with no voting rights, I am a member of a few of these clubs and couldn't say I benefit from it much. Nor have I had free access to there forums or website. The biggest bone of contention is the guideline which states no more than 4 vehicles. Any one who organises greenlanes knows this guideline is a nightmare, more about that in another post.
They also offer the way-finder project a kind of national list of rights of way. There are two types one free to all, the other you have to pay for. I know of existing GLASS members who are still having problems accessing the site. Nor do I know if affilicated club members can either, I have tried to find out, but no GLASS rep has ever responeded to my requests. Since 2006 when the RUPP ban came in nearly 60% of our lanes have been lost, many of these lanes were small but interesting, whats left is generally known to all. Finally they have a forum but again access is restricted, so no wonder quite a few laners are disalulsioned, so why join?
Same applies to those one make vechicle owner clubs, they are a must for those who have a rare model as a good source of parts, plus many like to show off at local & national shows. Problem is there is too many of them, often someone got on the bandwagon some years ago and formed a club. They often charge £30 a year, send out 4 newsletters, go to one national show and organise 1 greenlane day half way across the country, the only person who benefits is the chair who owns the club. I was at a National Show some years ago and security had to be called to break up a sit in on a club stand , the members got together and demanded money back because they were so dissatisfied.
One forum member summed some of them up wonderfully "Join my crappy 90 club, all credit cards, debit cards paypal accepted, you get 3 c*****y newsletters, 1 sticker, access to a c****y forum, go out once a year, have 1 club stand at a c******y national show and 10% off ferry trips to Ireland during the low season. we've a club online shop stickers, badges extra"
Not all clubs are like this and again check to see what they actual do, some have great websites and forums so one can check back, others don't but had don't mean they are no good just having or not botheing with the websites.
In North Wales there is another called CRAG, only been going a few years and they seem stronger in the North West and North & Mid Wales, certainly better at putting there message across by using forums and the like, and seem to be doing somthing posistive about issues such as lane maintance. Again they go laning and i've meet them a few times wether its private or among there group i don't know, they have a forum but its not open to all so couldn't tell you more.
Oh any complants email me and we will discuss it
Local clubs
Plenty of them, read any magazine or go on the web and there are hundreds, the trick is finding the right one, you could spend a couple of hundred quid on membership and never go out. Certain clubs use greenlaning as a kind of "lost leader" to attrach you to a club but in reality want you to go trailing or your company on visits to national shows. They might contain members who have been laning in the past but will they be willing to take you if they go out again.
Look at the web site and see what they have done in the last 12 months, a club which goes out a lot often has a photo album with dates of where and when they have been. Another good sign is those who have an open forum, might be small but active. Then see what they plan to do and where they are going, many clubs have a policy of camping over the bank holidays join just before. Watch out for the one page web sites those which say we are here, contact us, we go greenlaning. They often take your money and never do anything. If you make an approach ask the right questions.
Most charge between £15-£30 but watch out for those hidden extra charges for you partner children etc. Some charge for club organised green lane days.
Its a repeat common question I get asked all the time which one to join so been a member of a few i'll comment course can only do on those i know in the North West and North Wales Area
Look at the web site and see what they have done in the last 12 months, a club which goes out a lot often has a photo album with dates of where and when they have been. Another good sign is those who have an open forum, might be small but active. Then see what they plan to do and where they are going, many clubs have a policy of camping over the bank holidays join just before. Watch out for the one page web sites those which say we are here, contact us, we go greenlaning. They often take your money and never do anything. If you make an approach ask the right questions.
Most charge between £15-£30 but watch out for those hidden extra charges for you partner children etc. Some charge for club organised green lane days.
Its a repeat common question I get asked all the time which one to join so been a member of a few i'll comment course can only do on those i know in the North West and North Wales Area
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